The New Update For Market Makers

[FnnF]

Hello, most of you know that the new Minehut Unleashed update was released. In this update was a ton of features added to file manager, one thing removed in the update was the plugin limit of 12. As much as the Minehut Community loves that this was removed, it was one of the ways that Minehut encouraged players to get a plan, and for users to buy from the market. One of my products is the Excavate, which is a replace for the Excavate mod. Now that plugins are available, and you can have as many plugins as you want, no one will want to buy the product, because you can get it for free. Same goes with 99% of other script products on the market.

This Minehut update was amazing, but this is from a maker's POV.

If you look at https://ir.superleague.com/financial-information/cash-flow, you will see (from the image below) that they have a net loss of 5 million dollars. Even though SLG has many other ways of income, they do need to get into the positive. This update seems to of have not helped that, as it harms the money they make from Minehut Makers, and less players will use the better plans.

I love the update if I was talking for user experience, but I am interested to see where all of this goes.

[Punish]

11 hours ago, FnnF said:

Hello, most of you know that the new Minehut Unleashed update was released. In this update was a ton of features added to file manager, one thing removed in the update was the plugin limit of 12. As much as the Minehut Community loves that this was removed, it was one of the ways that Minehut encouraged players to get a plan, and for users to buy from the market. One of my products is the Excavate, which is a replace for the Excavate mod. Now that plugins are available, and you can have as many plugins as you want, no one will want to buy the product, because you can get it for free. Same goes with 99% of other script products on the market.

This Minehut update was amazing, but this is from a maker's POV.

If you look at https://ir.superleague.com/financial-information/cash-flow, you will see (from the image below) that they have a net loss of 5 million dollars. Even though SLG has many other ways of income, they do need to get into the positive. This update seems to of have not helped that, as it harms the money they make from Minehut Makers, and less players will use the better plans.

I love the update if I was talking for user experience, but I am interested to see where all of this goes.

ah

[Checkmate128]

21 hours ago, FnnF said:

Hello, most of you know that the new Minehut Unleashed update was released. In this update was a ton of features added to file manager, one thing removed in the update was the plugin limit of 12. As much as the Minehut Community loves that this was removed, it was one of the ways that Minehut encouraged players to get a plan, and for users to buy from the market. One of my products is the Excavate, which is a replace for the Excavate mod. Now that plugins are available, and you can have as many plugins as you want, no one will want to buy the product, because you can get it for free. Same goes with 99% of other script products on the market.

This Minehut update was amazing, but this is from a maker's POV.

If you look at https://ir.superleague.com/financial-information/cash-flow, you will see (from the image below) that they have a net loss of 5 million dollars. Even though SLG has many other ways of income, they do need to get into the positive. This update seems to of have not helped that, as it harms the money they make from Minehut Makers, and less players will use the better plans.

I love the update if I was talking for user experience, but I am interested to see where all of this goes.

I don't think they made very much money off of the plugin limit because people would use /vote to get the MH20 plan without paying a cent. This allowed people to get ∞ plugins for free even though the free plan had the limit. Most people I have talked to use the plans for either the player maximum or the ram. In terms of making money off of market content I would recommend the following measures:

1. Focus on making content that will never compete with plugins. 
2. Make skripts that accomplish tasks that are not currently covered by plugins or do the task better than the current plugins.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Checkmate128

[FnnF]

4 hours ago, Checkmate128 said:

I don't think they made very much money off of the plugin limit because people would use /vote to get the MH20 plan without paying a cent. This allowed people to get ∞ plugins for free even though the free plan had the limit. Most people I have talked to use the plans for either the player maximum or the ram. In terms of making money off of market content I would recommend the following measures:

1. Focus on making content that will never compete with plugins. 
2. Make skripts that accomplish tasks that are not currently covered by plugins or do the task better than the current plugins.

For focusing on content that will not compete with plugins, that would require a lot more time and this would include a lot more specific type products for certain situations in a server, meaning less people will have means to buy it. For instance, my Dream video remake product has not sold too many, but my excavation tool has sold more than double the amount. The excavation tool sales will drop off now. Which will leave just the Dream video remake, although I'm sure there is a plugin for it on the internet.

To make a task better than the plugins, would not do much help, as most of the Minehut player base will not mind a couple of less features or a few more bugs if it meant keeping things free.

For voting every single day, only 500 out of the many, many servers will be able to get the plan for free. So many other server will just spend the couple dollars a month, which adds up quickly for Minehut. Many server creators will spend this money on the plans, hoping to get the money back in server revenue.

[Lapzzo]

rip..

[Checkmate128]

23 minutes ago, FnnF said:

For focusing on content that will not compete with plugins, that would require a lot more time and this would include a lot more specific type products for certain situations in a server, meaning less people will have means to buy it. For instance, my Dream video remake product has not sold too many, but my excavation tool has sold more than double the amount. The excavation tool sales will drop off now. Which will leave just the Dream video remake, although I'm sure there is a plugin for it on the internet.

To make a task better than the plugins, would not do much help, as most of the Minehut player base will not mind a couple of less features or a few more bugs if it meant keeping things free.

For voting every single day, only 500 out of the many, many servers will be able to get the plan for free. So many other server will just spend the couple dollars a month, which adds up quickly for Minehut. Many server creators will spend this money on the plans, hoping to get the money back in server revenue.

My points:

1. People who do not use the vote feature are scamming themselves. Literally free currency is sitting in front of them and they don't take the opportunity.
2. Minehut added all of these features so their servers would have the basic features expected of a server host. Every other host I have ever used has had a good file manager, live console, custom plugins, etc. These changes should bring in more money for SLG because minehut won't look like a joke compared to other hosts anymore. I am so glad these things are coming so I can make some epic plugins and finally have a console.
3. Minehut constantly advertises the market to people. There will always be more customers for the market because of the advertising campaign. Customers will now be able to find content they are looking for because of the search and filter features. Ratings and reviews should also make it easier to sort quality content from rubbish.

[Lapzzo]

1 minute ago, Checkmate128 said:

 

1 minute ago, Checkmate128 said:

My points:

1. People who do not use the vote feature are scamming themselves. Literally free currency is sitting in front of them and they don't take the opportunity.
2. Minehut added all of these features so their servers would have the basic features expected of a server host. Every other host I have ever used has had a good file manager, live console, custom plugins, etc. These changes should bring in more money for SLG because minehut won't look like a joke compared to other hosts anymore. I am so glad these things are coming so I can make some epic plugins and finally have a console.
3. Minehut constantly advertises the market to people. There will always be more customers for the market because of the advertising campaign. Customers will now be able to find content they are looking for because of the search and filter features. Ratings and reviews should also make it easier to sort quality content from rubbish.

bring in more money for SLG because minehut won't look like a joke compared to other hosts anymore. I am so glad these things are coming so I can make some epic plugins and finally have a console.

I can agree with both claims, im stuck on whos side to be on.. I really enjoy the new update but reading what @FnnF says makes me change choice

[FnnF]

49 minutes ago, Checkmate128 said:

My points:

1. People who do not use the vote feature are scamming themselves. Literally free currency is sitting in front of them and they don't take the opportunity.
2. Minehut added all of these features so their servers would have the basic features expected of a server host. Every other host I have ever used has had a good file manager, live console, custom plugins, etc. These changes should bring in more money for SLG because minehut won't look like a joke compared to other hosts anymore. I am so glad these things are coming so I can make some epic plugins and finally have a console.
3. Minehut constantly advertises the market to people. There will always be more customers for the market because of the advertising campaign. Customers will now be able to find content they are looking for because of the search and filter features. Ratings and reviews should also make it easier to sort quality content from rubbish.

I agree with your first point, people who do not take advantage of the free credits are scamming themselves, hence giving Minehut more money.

Adding these features will not help Minehut with their financial situation. They were already the biggest hosting because of their community access. Since the update, their stock has dropped. Just because other hosts don't think that Minehut is a joke anymore, doesn't mean it will bring in more money. They also have to pay to put in these features, and they will lose money from the people who are scamming themselves because now they don't even need the plan.
 

Even though Minehut is advertising the market to people, there will still be a noticeable dip in the market. With the mention of reviews, the main place where all the plugins you can get are stored, have the review. And again, most Minehut server creators will just be looking for the cheaper option. The search and filter features Minehut added is also very easy with google. I just searched "Sellwand Skript Minecraft" and the second link down was a plugin.

[Checkmate128]

4 hours ago, FnnF said:

I agree with your first point, people who do not take advantage of the free credits are scamming themselves, hence giving Minehut more money.

Adding these features will not help Minehut with their financial situation. They were already the biggest hosting because of their community access. Since the update, their stock has dropped. Just because other hosts don't think that Minehut is a joke anymore, doesn't mean it will bring in more money. They also have to pay to put in these features, and they will lose money from the people who are scamming themselves because now they don't even need the plan.
 

Even though Minehut is advertising the market to people, there will still be a noticeable dip in the market. With the mention of reviews, the main place where all the plugins you can get are stored, have the review. And again, most Minehut server creators will just be looking for the cheaper option. The search and filter features Minehut added is also very easy with google. I just searched "Sellwand Skript Minecraft" and the second link down was a plugin.

1. Most people I know bought server plans for the player max or ram not to avoid the plugin limit. The plugin limit can be easily circumvented by using skripts that you made or found for free on the internet.
2. The search feature makes a huge difference on the marketplace because it increases the chances of consumers finding desirable products. The two times I dared visit the marketplace, I left in an instant because there was no search feature.
3. Minehut not being thought of as a joke will bring in more money. Reputation is very important in the business world. Whenever I see minehut mentioned outside of these forums, it is not usually positive. People lamented the lack of basic features such as a live console and custom plugins. Now that these are coming soon or are currently implemented, Minehut should be much more competitive with other hosts including some paid providers.
4. It is ad but true: the marketplace will definitely be less profitable for certain products such as punishment/anticheat skripts and similar skripts that are similar to existing plugins. However, worlds and server-setups should still maintain the same level of profitability I would think. 
5. You mention server creators picking the cheaper option. I disagree. You treat minehut users and server creators as though they are intelligent beings operating with perfect reasoning. This just isn't true. I doubt they all know where to go and safely get plugin files, how to install the plugins, and how to set up the plugins. Remember that these are the same people who ask what very explicit and obvious error messages mean. Mean while, buying from the marketplace and installing the products is much easier or at least it should be if it isn't (I don't know since I have never bought from the marketplace).

 

Just some points to consider but I do understand where you come from when you say that the changes will hurt creators of skripts that have similar functionality to existing plugins. However, I think the update should help minehut because none of the features seem particularly expensive to maintain yet significantly boost minehut's utility as a service and product.

[_Tarna_]

On 8/3/2021 at 2:55 PM, FnnF said:

no one will want to buy the product, because you can get it for free.

This was true before too. People could technically get a lot of the same script products, or even other things, that were available on the market for free other places. The market was just a place where people can purchase and add things for their server with just a few clicks so thats why people used it since it was simple to use. And with the market update, market discoverability is better so people can find stuff easily for their servers. 

[FnnF]

30 minutes ago, Checkmate128 said:

1. Most people I know bought server plans for the player max or ram not to avoid the plugin limit. The plugin limit can be easily circumvented by using skripts that you made or found for free on the internet.
2. The search feature makes a huge difference on the marketplace because it increases the chances of consumers finding desirable products. The two times I dared visit the marketplace, I left in an instant because there was no search feature.
3. Minehut not being thought of as a joke will bring in more money. Reputation is very important in the business world. Whenever I see minehut mentioned outside of these forums, it is not usually positive. People lamented the lack of basic features such as a live console and custom plugins. Now that these are coming soon or are currently implemented, Minehut should be much more competitive with other hosts including some paid providers.
4. It is ad but true: the marketplace will definitely be less profitable for certain products such as punishment/anticheat skripts and similar skripts that are similar to existing plugins. However, worlds and server-setups should still maintain the same level of profitability I would think. 
5. You mention server creators picking the cheaper option. I disagree. You treat minehut users and server creators as though they are intelligent beings operating with perfect reasoning. This just isn't true. I doubt they all know where to go and safely get plugin files, how to install the plugins, and how to set up the plugins. Remember that these are the same people who ask what very explicit and obvious error messages mean. Mean while, buying from the marketplace and installing the products is much easier or at least it should be if it isn't (I don't know since I have never bought from the marketplace).

 

Just some points to consider but I do understand where you come from when you say that the changes will hurt creators of skripts that have similar functionality to existing plugins. However, I think the update should help minehut because none of the features seem particularly expensive to maintain yet significantly boost minehut's utility as a service and product.

I understand a lot more now. I think I'm going to reply to this in a week or two, and just give an update comparing sales from last month to this month. You mentioned that the big sellers now will be worlds and server-setups. I agree with this. Although much more time consuming, I think this will be the best way to thrive on the market. Will let you all know how it is going in a week.

Have a good one.

[Checkmate128]

3 minutes ago, FnnF said:

I understand a lot more now. I think I'm going to reply to this in a week or two, and just give an update comparing sales from last month to this month. You mentioned that the big sellers now will be worlds and server-setups. I agree with this. Although much more time consuming, I think this will be the best way to thrive on the market. Will let you all know how it is going in a week.

Have a good one.

I am very interested in seeing what the actual data turns out to be. First time in a while where I can say a respectful, engaging, and productive discussion occurred on the internet that lead to some sort of agreement. Thanks and have a good one too!

[Rodney_RWR]

not tryna be stupid or anything but personally as a twat who has the income of $0 and a net loss of $14,000 I like the fact that there is no more plugin limit it gives me more flexibility 

 

 

(This is a semi-joke post)

Edited August 5, 2021 by ___Rodney_RWR___

[Punish]

ok....

[Punish]

what is dis