Minehut Exposed

[farwl]

I've taken the time to write an article that outlines and describes the corrupt behavior that goes on in Minehut. 

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LDR6oyvanWJ3O3uNIkbFMvit2kRIPOADfj2oDRL_BL4/edit?usp=sharing

 

Make sure to save the link because as you'll find out in the document, the staff team don't like me too much. 

 

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Edited July 1, 2020 by farwl

[SlimeTheFireX]

Seems legit.

[MrScopes]

Yeah I'm treated differently as well, pretty annoying. Anything I say will and has been twisted so the minehut staff can find a way to punish me.

[fdsfd_was_taken]

Imo, Minehut ignores everyone who haven't paid a penny to them. This doesn't include MOST of the Minehut Jr. Mods, Mods, and Sr. Mods. Most of them are pretty chill. Oh yeah, _C02 is chill too. I have unfortunately paid Minehut out of my own pocket, years ago. But Minehut doesn't know about that, and why would they care? $10 is nothing when they have people giving them thousands of dollars for a cosmetic rank, and rights on Minehut.

[Tastq]

Well i mean it kinda works on reputation and if you have a bad reputation then of course they're going to take that into account when looking at appeals and just dealing with you ingame or watching you.. thats how it works everywhere so

[farwl]

Just now, Tastq said:

Well i mean it kinda works on reputation and if you have a bad reputation then of course they're going to take that into account when looking at appeals and just dealing with you ingame or watching you.. thats how it works everywhere so

They should be reviewing the punishment, not prior ones. And that isn't the whole point of this post. I'm not just complaining about a mute lool

[farwl]

37 minutes ago, MrScopes said:

Yeah I'm treated differently as well, pretty annoying. Anything I say will and has been twisted so the minehut staff can find a way to punish me.

Yeah it gets really annoying.

[farwl]

33 minutes ago, fdsfd_was_taken said:

Imo, Minehut ignores everyone who haven't paid a penny to them. This doesn't include MOST of the Minehut Jr. Mods, Mods, and Sr. Mods. Most of them are pretty chill. Oh yeah, _C02 is chill too. I have unfortunately paid Minehut out of my own pocket, years ago. But Minehut doesn't know about that, and why would they care? $10 is nothing when they have people giving them thousands of dollars for a cosmetic rank, and rights on Minehut.

true c02 is pretty chill

[DucksDont]

Ok thanks for playing.

[farwl]

gg its been up for one hour without being deleted / hidden yay new record

[xlr100]

I agree with a lot of the things you said in the document, but if we are already judging based on the past, we all know minehut is far from a perfect or good host, but it isn't going to change either. Although minehut is starting to take action now that they are in a bad financial situation, the new features are going to be more money making machines, while they continue to ignore basic needs. The rush 1.16 update is a perfect example of how minehut either doesn't care about the users or is just really bad at decision making (Something we already know based on how they broke their own economy for some time), and it's not the first time minehut updates the second it's possible while disregarding everything else, this happens almost every time there is a major update. Now the staff team is trying to connect with the community by doing Q&A and such, that helps to some extent but that doesn't solve the main problem. Minehut or rather super league isn't the only company with the goal to earn money, but usually the successful ones don't ignore their customers or disregard basic functionality of their product for more money. Now they are working on unneeded features solely for money instead of making their product better, so people will have a better reason to pay for it. I don't think it's coincidental that most of the successful servers on minehut either leave or die, minehut isn't a platform for successful servers, it's a go fund me at best.

Now that my reputation is officially ruined, you know why when I get banned for toxicity (lol)

[Gaminger]

Im going to look at it.

Lets see what you have to say, Gen 2016 unit.

Well tbh Luuke didn't care about Minehut that much, and thats were the problem started. Not saying it is bad that he didn't care, just saying that motivated the beggining of SLG's influence on Minehut. Its really obvious that they were in for money, cuz cmon company dude. They said they did not really do it for them $$$, but man cmon lol

Yea I have my doubts about SLG knowing minehut's history, but they may know. I mean you're going to invest money in something, you better know the history of it amirite?

Luuke caring about feedback well... Thats not wrong but also not right lol

" In fact, they actually censor and filter any sort of slightly negative comment towards Minehut anywhere."

Ah cmon dude thats false, if they did they would have already banned me here on the forums lol. And on the forums there's alot of negative comments towards Minehut. Idk about inside the server, yea maybe they do censor but here in the forums nahhh they let it pass. Idk about the discord and the server, there yea maybe they do punish people for saying "MH big time bad" when back in 2016 you had to do a milestone of toxic things to get yourself punished xD.

Business works in a legal way. I mean you would be screwed as a business if you didn't lol.

Boi for example BennyDoesStuff ain't corrupt my dude he probably is aware of some of the stuff that is going on but dude the staff now is way stronger than 2016's generation and atleast from what I know there is no big drama going on inside the staff team.

Farwl, you knew the update would destroy your server. Its a minehut classic to get your server destroyed by an update/reset xD. Still I know the feeling its really annoying to get all your work destroyed just like that, specially when you spent bucks on the thing. Pro tip dont waste money on minecraft servers. Your money is worth more than just the temporary benefit of being able to do things better and having a better chance of having more players.

Yea tbh the punishment you received was harsh if what you said indeed happened. But remember, there might not be freedom of speech in a business on a legal point of view. If you join the thing you gotta accept the rules even if they go against what you think. Still yea harsh punishment.

Well you apparently have a bad reputation. Bad reputation has been a Minehut classic too. I had a bad reputation too. Ofc it wasnt too bad to have bad reputation in 2016 for doing drama. Today having bad reputation seems to be worse. But bad reputation is indeed a Minehut thing. I remember that after the 2016 revival boats came back and he was banned immediately (idk if he really came back, but the ban took place). Having bad reputation sadly makes it harder for you because thats how human beings are 

Cmon Farwl dont let this get you. I know this is bugging you because you feel like you've been unfairly punished, but hey if you keep thinking about it things will just get worse. Dont do an account just to start over, thats a bad idea. Someday you will spill the beens if you do that trust me it never works.

WHAT THEY LACK A LIVE CONSOLE LOLOLOLOLOL XD

Think about it, minehut has quite an amount of players. Tbh I dont think there is any company that can be of competition. Usually in business when there is no other business competing for what your business wants/does, and you're the only business in the marketing doing whatever you are doing, your quality decreases. Thats because if your clients want what you have to offer, they can only go to you because you're the only business in the marketing doing that thing. Spending resources on quality simply wont give you more than it would if you saved that and increased the price of your item/service because yet again no competition.

Here I finish my read.

Farwl dont read what I typed as an attack lol it ain't, but believe me when I tell you that there is no point in wasting too much time on how you were unfairly punished. You wont gain anything, you will actually just give yourself a bigger headache. Minehut is now a business and like all business the purpose is to gain and grow. Some business have standards, others don't and sacrifice everything for the whole purpose of gain and growth. If you want to talk to me shoot a DM on Gaminger#4921, im the Drama King who joined 2015 and I can talk to you about some things of Minehut's past if you want

[Gaminger]

Ah yea btw your post wont be hidden and it might not even be locked. Thats not how they usually do things on the forums. Again Idk how they do things on minecraft and discord.

[Gaminger]

Ah and tbh no one knows about financial stuff here, not even me xD
We are just players lol

[farwl]

@Gaminger this isn't focused on my punishment lol. I just used that as an example in the staff section.

[ThatOneTqnk]

Baguette

[farwl]

41 minutes ago, xlr100 said:

I agree with a lot of the things you said in the document, but if we are already judging based on the past, we all know minehut is far from a perfect or good host, but it isn't going to change either. Although minehut is starting to take action now that they are in a bad financial situation, the new features are going to be more money making machines, while they continue to ignore basic needs. The rush 1.16 update is a perfect example of how minehut either doesn't care about the users or is just really bad at decision making (Something we already know based on how they broke their own economy for some time), and it's not the first time minehut updates the second it's possible while disregarding everything else, this happens almost every time there is a major update. Now the staff team is trying to connect with the community by doing Q&A and such, that helps to some extent but that doesn't solve the main problem. Minehut or rather super league isn't the only company with the goal to earn money, but usually the successful ones don't ignore their customers or disregard basic functionality of their product for more money. Now they are working on unneeded features solely for money instead of making their product better, so people will have a better reason to pay for it. I don't think it's coincidental that most of the successful servers on minehut either leave or die, minehut isn't a platform for successful servers, it's a go fund me at best.

Now that my reputation is officially ruined, you know why when I get banned for toxicity (lol)

Well said. For saying this, you are now deemed toxic

[Gaminger]

20 minutes ago, farwl said:

@Gaminger this isn't focused on my punishment lol. I just used that as an example in the staff section.

Hmm sure you still seem bothered but ok fair enough your focus is what you perceive minehut's problems are and what you think most players can't see.
What about all the rest I typed tho, I would like an opinion haha

Edited July 1, 2020 by Gaminger

[farwl]

Just now, Gaminger said:

Hmm sure you still seem bothered but ok fair enough your focus is what you perceive minehut's problems are and what you think most players can't see.
What about all the rest I typed tho, I would like an opinion haha

What specifically do you want an opinion on. cba to read it all over

[Gaminger]

49 minutes ago, farwl said:

What specifically do you want an opinion on. cba to read it all over

d00d I had to read your doc xD

[Rufen]

There is so much I could say about the staff team from lies, bias, breaking their own rules, making up rules, to power trips, and most of all hypocrisy. I wouldn't judge them as harsh as I do because its a Minecraft server, but sense they want to push the "professionalism" equal to a real job I am 100% justified to do so. As they proved yesterday they are looking for any little thing to get rid of me it's only community pressure that keeps me from being perm banned. They of course will deny this lol 

#baguette

[farwl]

2 minutes ago, Ruffen said:

There is so much I could say about the staff team from lies, bias, breaking their own rules, making up rules, to power trips, and most of all hypocrisy. I wouldn't judge them as harsh as I do because its a Minecraft server, but sense they want to push the "professionalism" equal to a real job I am 100% justified to do so. As they proved yesterday they are looking for any little thing to get rid of me it's only community pressure that keeps me from being perm banned. They of course will deny this lol 

#baguette

All valid points. I hear you. Stay strong

[MikeTheAngel]

Baguette's rise up.

[farwl]

1 minute ago, MikeTheAngel said:

Baguette's rise up.

lol

[filr]

Alright so there's a lot I'd like to touch on here. I'm taking everything from the document, nothing from your past or anything else.

 

"They usually have no interest in retaining the qualities that made the project interesting or attract users in the first place."

• What features changed that made Minehut unenjoyable? What about Minehut does not attract growth/users, and if this is so, why has Minehut grown exponentially? 

"Super League Gaming wants money, and as such, they acquired Minehut"

• Yeah, I don't think any company in the world would acquire something if they didn't see some kind of mutual benefit. However, if this was purely the case, I think we'd see a lot more executive influence. There really isn't.

"The only goal here is personal gain for SLG, not to make Minehut a better place"

• Does not make sense. You cannot get more "personal gain" without putting anything into something else. Also, I think there'd be more executive influence if this was the case.

"Another big issue that unveiled as SLG presence on Minehut increased, was the lack of communication and transparency with players"

• I know I've already said this several times, but on the staff side of things, I want to be more transparent.

"Luke was more in touch with the community"

• What do you mean by this? Do you mean he was on the server a lot, or activity network wide? How can I improve this? I doubt Trent has any problem talking more often to everyone but I don't want to speak for him.

"Nowadays you’re making support tickets instead of getting help directly from an admin"

• Minehut now has a dedicated support team. As much as I hate to say it, Admins are too busy to constantly be assisting users. Also keep in mind Minehut has grown substancially, it's in everyone's best interest that there is a dedicated support team rather than "Oh, just DM Trent."
• If you need direct help, I have no doubt a Moderator/Junior Moderator will have any issue responding to you. 
• Minehut still continues to be based heavily on community support, hence why a lot of questions/concerns are answered in #help on the Discord and in the help category on the forums by community members.

"Completely ignoring the days, weeks, or sometimes, even months, it takes for them to be read, you aren’t even getting help from a Minehut official"

• They are Minehut officials? And if it is taking that long to get a response, message me.

"You’re getting support from people who don’t even use Minehut regularly"

• The Support Team is pretty small, and while yes I will admit that some of them don't use Minehut actively, Kurtis does.

"SLG does not care about user experience, or appreciation for Minehut"

• Not sure what exactly you're going for here, but yes they do. If user experience was not cared for, Minehut would not be maintained and there'd be no updates.

"In fact, they actually censor and filter any sort of slightly negative comment towards Minehut anywhere"

• If your comments are negatively affecting user experience (like yours were, by going on the lobbies and telling people not to use the service) then Moderators reserve the right to mute you.

"You’re instantly deemed ‘toxic’ for voicing your opinion"

• You should voice your opinion in a non-toxic manner then.

"As seen above, the main argument for denying freedom of speech on Minehut, is a legal point of view. If you take a moment to think about why people at Minehut would give you legal responses on a free server host for Minecraft, you’ll realize, they would not. At least, they wouldn’t have years ago. Now that SLG has acquired Minehut, legal responses are the extent of support you’ll get. "

• I didn't think I really needed to attach the screenshot. This is not a SLG rule, this is a government rule. You referenced the U.S. Constitution for legal reasons, and as such I gave you a legal response. I would've done it when I was a Sr.Mod in 2016 if someone said it then too, and I did.

 

"If I fully expose staff members here I’ll continue to get targeted on the network even harsher."

• Expose them in my DM, if a staff member has done something to warrant termination then I will do so. You're helping nothing by hiding evidence.

"Anyways, the staff team is really corrupt. I don’t blame the individuals, but the higher-ups. If you think about it from an honest point of view, the individuals that are volunteering for Minehut, aren’t working for a company, rather, their higher-ups are."

• I'm not working for Super League.

"For the record, I was not spamming, flooding chat, attempting to promote any sort of agenda, political view, or continue any form of drama"

• You were promoting users to leave Minehut, negatively affecting user experience.

"I was simply using my rights and expressing freedom of speech."

• Doubt I have to say it again, but no company is required to allow you to have free speech. The 1st Amendment protects you from governmental interference.

"After this experience, it became more clear than it ever has been, that the Minehut staff team, or some members of it, simply do not like me, and target me because of my name"

• This goes for anybody, Minehut Moderators are human beings too. If you dig yourself in a grave by constantly saying things that are borderline rule violations you will have a reputation among the staff, and your punishment history always contributes to this.

"I went to the forums to appeal as instructed. I waited over 7 hours for my 24 hour mute appeal to even be read and responded to. "

• Some of our staff have things they like to do outside of Minecraft.

"As you can see in the screenshot above, they’ve denied my appeal. The thing that really caught my eye, was the part of the response that instructed me to wait 2 weeks to appeal again"

• From what I'm aware, this was incorrect. You are not required to wait 2 weeks.

"Instead, they neglected it, because as stated previously, they target me."

• This was nothing against you. All denied appeals have a waiting period before being allowed to appeal again.

"At this point I should be tired of it, but since SLG acquired Minehut, there is virtually nobody I can go to, in order to address this corruption"

• I'm right here, but only if you have valid evidence.

"For years Minehut has struggled to get basic features out. Some are features that come automatically in PC hosted servers. Including but not limited to; Live console."

• I know live console has been discussed a lot and I don't want to speak on the dev team's behalf, but I think it'd be a valuable feature. I think they all do.

"They’re already profiting tons off of Minehut. But they want more. If something doesn’t make them money, or boost their stock price, it won’t be added."

• I'm curious, how much do you think SLG is making from Minehut? By the way you're talking, it's making me think you believe Super League has hit the mega millions lottery.

 

 

That's basically every point I wanted to touch on. Thanks for taking the time to make this post and I think it's important to come forward with any concerns you have. This isn't a personal attack against you as you may perceive it to be; this is just a collection of my thoughts as that document was. When this thread was brought to my attention a few hours ago, I changed my priorities around for the day so I could give you a response. Again, this isn't a personal attack against you. I'd also like to say once more that you can come to me with evidence to "expose staff members." There's no reason to keep someone on the team is there is physical evidence of something they've done that should warrant termination.